V-Tech v's SR20DE

[NX-TC]

hey has anyone here with a SR20DE raced a B16a v tech? :rally:
if so what was the outcome?? :?2:

[Chocco]

my mates non vtech crx is slow...i can take it easy

even with a slipping clutch

[nexis]

Yeah, i took on a sir crx which has a b16.

I had extractors / exhaust and air filter, he had exhaust and filter. I had 17s, he had stockers, both 3 ppl in the car.

We were equal till about 110 in 3rd and i started to pull away on him.

I was very happy with that, seeing as though 104kw, sr, vs 118kw vtwec or what ever it is stocko...

On a track of coarse...

[Herbs]

yeah i got an 93 nxr with full zorst, pod, safc and a couple of other bits and pieces, my mate has a vtir civic coupe with the b16a, zorst, vtec controler and air intake and we are basicaly side by side, one on one. When they were both standard the nxr used to beat the civic.
The nxr has alot more poke around the mid range and the civic blasts into action when vtec cuts in from about 5500rpm onwards, (whereas my mates vtec comes in around 4800rpm)
But it all comes down to the start, or who puches it first when we race.
Dont let stock kilowats fool ya mate, the civics have a lot less torque than the 2 litres and i belive the nissans get the power to the ground through the drivetrain better, i also have two other mates with n15 sss pulsars and we are all about the same. all four of us go out every weekend.

[Sp3ctre]

haha ruined a vtec crx in my stock n13 (unless you count a pod filer and cia modded)

[NX-TC]

well thats good i am gona drill my rice buddy's in there rice civics. they want me to join the darkside :darth2: and get a crx vtec but i'm an sr20 man all the way :king1:

[jazza]

v-tech crx's and integras are sweet i reckon. Id put my money on them coz they dun weigh shit all either. Dont like the civics AT ALL though lol
But sr20de's are good engines too, rwd in Sils they are slow, fwd in SSS/NXs they are pretty decent! My mates SSS is less modded and rips me when he gets to third, his engine has double the kms wit a nice flat spot too lol

[NEWBIE]

most civics with vtec are light as.. so beware..

[exagrandprix104]

i faced an integra once... couple of ricer in the front seats...
Of course i didnt know what Vtech was back then and lets just say when they screeched the wheels pretty hard coming into second i knew i was done for, lol.

[Matt16sfr]

i faced an integra once... couple of ricer in the front seats...
Of course i didnt know what Vtech was back then and lets just say when they screeched the wheels pretty hard coming into second i knew i was done for, lol.

thats when u take off da hatch and the t-tops an go back for more and if that dosen't work full weight reduction lol

[NX-TC]

i guess racing a h22a vtec is out of the question specialy a turbo one like my mates, i will race him once i get a det :dapimp

[jazza]

v-tech turbos need to be done by someone who really knows what they are doing. Ive seen a v-tech turbs running 15psi and it was slow as all shit (Prelude)..
Chosing compression, the right turbo, specific internal work etc
If they choose the wrong things then the turbo option isnt always the best one.. it makes v-tech weaker.
However done correctly... now thats awsome :)

[NX-TC]

yeah i think my friends wasnt done properly, his turbo spools at 2000 and has a decent size turbo on it. this is useless because of the power band in his h22 starting after 6 or 7 thousand so his set up is whack cos its not as quick as it should be but its still early days.
i reckon i'll give him a good go once my nx is det
his targa top crx v's targa nx should be a tight rice :redfinger

[nexis]

H22as are pretty heavy, but they are packing 140 odd kw from memory??? Correct me if im wrong there.

So yeah, srdet would be similar power, more midrange torque, but vtec top end is pretty cool.

[NX-TC]

as a general rule of thumb for v tecs 1ltr=100 ponys give or take therefor b16=160hp and h22=220hp this is what the great ancient ricers tell me :bow:
the force is strong from honda :darth2:

[Herbs]

Yeah kinda mate, the only differnce to that theory is the s2000, 2.0l and 245hp.

well the vtir civic, vtir preludes, vtir integras all go the same, they just come onto power differently, my mate with the vtir civic his younger bro has a vtir integra and they are side by side, and for the preludes they are slow down low, ther're bigger engines help them on the freeway, thats about it. Honda's need to rev to get any power so the sr's will always keep em on thier toe's

As for the crx's, if they actualy are v-tec (ahem) they hoot, their the lightest, and have 160hp standard. I raced one last night, i admit it was a jap spec b16a which has something like 175Hp standard and it was pretty even untill he revved third, he got a length or two on me by 160.

[jazza]

wud of thought they wud of beaten u by more ay!
Good run

[Herbs]

yeah i must admit they are quite fast, i tried to get him to follow me to mt gravatt mountain to see if he could back it up on the turns..... he wouldnt have a bar of it though.

[ZeffriN]

vtech doesnt do as much as honda would have you believe.

[@_@NX]

Some CRX are in aust does not have the Vtech engine, pretty sure that 80% of the EF8 is having a engine which is Si so is something around 130 hp. Hunt them with our SR20 should not be a big problem.

Did drive one of my mate civic with Si engine ( a bit better than the normal civic but still slow).

But not sure how fast a Vtech can go

[jazza]

most CRXs arent v-tech and arent any good. about as quick as an Exa, most sr20s (fwd SSS or NX) will chop em!

V-tech CRXs do make a difference

[mio]

keep in mind non-vtech crx's are able to respond to turbo upgrades quite well (as i've heard, no referential backup).

[@_@NX]

from wat i heard
few yr a go the world fastest ff is a EF8 crx with a turbo 1.8 si engine
so some times can not look down on it :p

[NXRSR20]

Yeah I took on a CRX honda, it had the autosalon stickers plastered over it. Nice Paint work, chrome wheels, cyberkit and who knows what else. But either he couldn't drive the thing or the car had nothing in it. A few weeks afterwards I walked into Autobarn near my joint and I was talking to one of the guys there and he said he new the guy. The Autobarn clerk told me he had a VTEC controller hooked up to the car and was running a VTEC engine. The store clerk asked what I was running and I said nothing really, just cat back and K&N filter. Other than that its stock. He told me that his mate is going to be pissed.

[HiToRiKo]

Lmao!

[HiToRiKo]

how much would a crx go for non vtech and in reasonable condish?

i like the look of them for some odd reason

[NXRSR20]

Just check out Carsales.com and you will get a rough idea. But I don't think they are much.

[nexis]

from wat i heard
few yr a go the world fastest ff is a EF8 crx with a turbo 1.8 si engine
so some times can not look down on it :p

take a look at the APC CRX, 1.9 litre, turbod, 10.78 here we come.

Then there is the Croydon pro crx.....

Just take a look at any top 10 FWD record list (street tyre or not), and you will notice a disturbing amount of Honda engines up there. Stock honda engines are so, so, much like a stock sr20 N/A, modified, they will comand respect.

[NX-TC]

theres an 11 sec integra NA running around now thats tuff... and a h22a in a starlet that hammers around a track it on one of the high octane vidz :driving:

[jazza]

Honda rules FWD every1 knows that...

[Herbs]

hondas do rule the fwd class... but there're expensive, and the money you pay is all engine, the interiors are real plain annd simple, they all rattle like a bitch, and i'd hate to see one in a decent accident, go and press against a panel from most honda's, they are real thin and tinny (similar to all the new cheap cars likke kia, proton, and all the other real cheap jap cars) this is how they get them to be so light and nimble.
Honda's are real temperamental as well, cause they are so highly tuned standard to get the power out of them most aftermarket performance parts will decrease power in them, unless it is either honda tuned parts, specialty shit like mugen or full custom jobs, and this shit is all real real expensive in comparison to other manufscturer's, but in saying all that the b16 and the b18 series engines are fucking awsome when done properly, and sound like nothing else comming onto v-tec, and if you want your induction to be louder then a full exhaust system then put a pod filter onto it, sounds insane when comming onto v-tec (pretty funny, but deffinately draw to much attention to yourself.)

[NX-TC]

thats right herbs coudnt say it better my self :eyerotate

[Pretty White]

http://www.sr20forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=47

Nuff said!

Or VVL power:
http://www.sr20forum.com/forumdisplay.php?f=41

[cartoon]

Well first of all a little spelling class (i cant spell well lol) but its V-tec for all the ppl who didnt know.

I use to own a h22a powered 1988 prelude, n no offence i was never beaten by a stock or lightly modded SR20det, my h22 was exaust an air filter pushing about 160kw (113kw At the Wheels).

Hondas produce great power if tuned right, and you dont need all the expensive stuff u jst need to know how it all works with each other,
EG. putting a pod filter on a type R will lose u a few kw, simply taking the top off the air box will lose u some kw.

Once you under stand how honda made them WHOLE set up there easy to mod. learning to drive the thing is another story, if u dont launch right u in trouble, u shift early and end up outta v-tec its all over.
prob much like turbo, i have never owned a turbo car jst beat a few of em lol.

[jazza]

dude first off.. a stock sr20det wud KILL ur prelude... you heard of the word torque?? Standard sr20s will ave close to that kw@wheels (DEAD stock) wit shit loads more toque and similar weight to a prelude.

You were probably beating ETs thinkin ur hot shit... not offense dude but if u think u ripped more than a few ur dreamin!

[nexis]

dude first off.. a stock sr20det wud KILL ur prelude... you heard of the word torque?? Standard sr20s will ave close to that kw@wheels (DEAD stock) wit shit loads more toque and similar weight to a prelude.

You were probably beating ETs thinkin ur hot shit... not offense dude but if u think u ripped more than a few ur dreamin!


Careful there big fella.

SR20de = 104kw @ THE FLY
His car = 113kw @ THE WHEELS (claimed - i cant verify Hondah enjuns lol)

Yes his car is heavier, but most SR's net about mid 80kw ATW. Thats a handy power advtantage.......

[jazza]

I use to own a h22a powered 1988 prelude, n no offence i was never beaten by a stock or lightly modded SR20det, my h22 was exaust an air filter pushing about 160kw (113kw At the Wheels).


Careful urself.. im takin bout what he is... sr20DET

I can see him beatin sr20de's all day wit that power, but not DET's which is what im talkin bout!

Hints why i mentioned torque figures (turbo) and it bein similar to 113kw stock standard.. :)
sr20dets dyno from 105-110kw@wheels standard generally (s13s)

[nexis]

ew my bad. The difference in the T! Your 100% correct there.

Exactly what generation Prelude are we talking here anyway

[jazza]

I use to own a h22a powered 1988 prelude

.. :snide:

[cartoon]

3rd generation prelude, with pop-up head light 4ws.
mugen racing rims,silver with blue pearl its actuall in the fast 4's issue when they did the NA section, nothing big jst a small pic n some stuff on my car.

think what u will jazza
gts-t, s13, s14, 180, type R dc2 and dc5 all on vid bro.
n many of them been beaten out penrith way

Also reving out to about 8k helps pull away from sr20det.

[jazza]

lol oooo 500rpm more than the sr20..

Seriously if u got it on vid good for you! Id keep it coz nobody wit ANY knowledge of cars will believe u.
Ud have probably 3/4 of the torque (IF that) of an sr20 (s13) and simlar power figures as one wit a cat-bak zorst. s14 stock as a rock wud rip the prelude wit ur figures!
Abit of more boost and ud be seein them way off in the sun-set!
Dc2/5s have fuk all torque bein n/a 4 cyl also so i can believe that one.

I cud imagine a prelude tryin to get it on wit an sr20 or an rb25.. hahaha :P

[wheelspin]

Dude, SR20DET NX's or Pulsars would have around 120-130kw atw (with the usual exhaust) on stock boost. With this power they're capable of running high 13's or low 14's. There's no way a H22a prelude could manage that.

[Pretty White]

A Non Vtec H22 with 160hp, my NX will own you.
A H22A with VTec thats a drivers race.
A VVL powdered NX will own your lude and wait for you at the end.
H22 is a bubble civic=I really don't want to race you. :)

[Herbs]

A Non Vtec H22 with 160hp, my NX will own you.
A H22A with VTec thats a drivers race.
A VVL powdered NX will own your lude and wait for you at the end.
H22 is a bubble civic=I really don't want to race you. :)

could not agree with you more mate, the v tec h22a ludes are geared a bit diff too, the auto's are fucking useless, and the manuals always give me a good run, i will admit i have been beaten by a black one down the coast, but i had an extra person, excuses aside they still do hoot.... but wait so they should for the price!!!

[cartoon]

Pricy yeah i agree. i not trying to start some big ass debate here, jst giving my experiances. to each his own its all good.
If i ever get my hands back on my prelude tho im up for anthing that runs a low 14sec.
Mind u it was the import h22 (h22a) with import box (a lot better than the local one)

But if ya dont belive then like u said good for u

U wanna know whats funny tho, a guy who only will ever drive a nissan has an sr20det n absoultly loves the prelude, n he has all the vids

[cartoon]

A Non Vtec H22 with 160hp, my NX will own you.
A H22A with VTec thats a drivers race.
A VVL powdered NX will own your lude and wait for you at the end.
H22 is a bubble civic=I really don't want to race you. :)

there is no non v-tec h22a a h22a in the import motor, the h22a1 and a4 r local
the motor u are talking about is the h23 from the si preludes (4th and 5th gen)

[Pretty White]

H23, yes, non V-Tec. Sorry.

[SircatmaN]

My Honda has 5 turbo's, count em'. It has 6, maybe 700 horsepower. :D

[Herbs]

My Honda has 5 turbo's, count em'. It has 6, maybe 700 horsepower. :D
that frightfuly sounds something like a honda driver would say too !! :P