exa turbo vs v8 ss

[kekilepep]

Heyal

well, last nite i was heading to the city
saw a nice vr or newer commodore, had ss stickers on it so i figured it was a v8
came to a set of lights n im like to the guy 'hey that a v8' ?

he replied with yep so u know, i asked him how it went n his reply was yeh not bad for a stockie with an airpod on it

im like, kool kool and nodded

lights went green
he got a nice jump n instand half length infront
by time i hit 2nd we were side by side
3rd i inched infront abit but i hit my damn rev limiter which lost me time

so who won ? hrrrm
he ended up going down a side road with thumbs up


Sure my car weighs 930 kilos, + me (90kilos) and a mate who was around the 105kilo mark

Im fairbit impressed with performance of my lil n12 turbo :D

[Elanore]

yeah. i had a smilar experience against a v6 VT commodore in my n13 exa.
the guys were laffing at me when i was revving my engine next to them, then one of them said "hangon, is that a turbo or non turbo", to which i replied... "you'll see".

i ended up beeting them and my car was running like shit cuz my exhaust had come away from my dump pipe. next lights they said they were impressed. needless to say, they stuck 50m behind me after i beet them.

[Paz]

i know post isnt about a v8, but i lined up against a 1996 pulsar S-pac with two cocky guys in it, he gave me a rev so i was like fuk it, floored it after he had taken off, pulled up next to him in first, into second and hit boost, gave a little wave goodbye and passed him..... was very satisfying..... cyyyaaa

but then a motorbike flew past us both..... jap bikes rip up

[shayne_exa]

yeah the ol N12 exa can beat the SS with ease , i raced a VR SS commodore which was computer chipped and had 200kw , AND BEAT IT! with all my 80kw of exa turbo power , yeah i was totally impressed with the exas performance

[kekilepep]

Paz posted:
i know post isnt about a v8, but i lined up against a 1996 pulsar S-pac with two cocky guys in it, he gave me a rev so i was like fuk it, floored it after he had taken off, pulled up next to him in first, into second and hit boost, gave a little wave goodbye and passed him..... was very satisfying..... cyyyaaa

but then a motorbike flew past us both..... jap bikes rip up


yeh them bikes piss me off
always a cocky bastard who has to out do both of you on a 75kilo 100hp bike

LIKE GET A GRIP YOU BIKIES!

[EVLEXA]

Yeah they go hard, the day i bought the 87 DET off Josh B, i was cruising through newcastle and i pulled up beside a VT SS Sedan, and the ppl in it were like what a peice of shit, then they started revving it up and i was like "yeah ok", then just before it turned green i let them know it was a turbo, then i blasted it, hit second, then third, and was still ahead of them by a car length, once i hit fourth, i was still powering away. Then ran through the amber light just before it turned red and was home free

Ciao

[exaexa]

whats have u guys got done to ur exa's to beat these v8 ss's...

my set up on mine is t25g afm relocation with pod. vl tb .. s4 intercooler 3inch dump pipe n zorst..

cheers daniel

[BoOsted]

hahaha, i love whoopin hardcore's in their monaro's or R33s on my CBR250RR hehe so much fun, mine's only 45hp :thumbsup:
But i had my exa owning days, sadly over due to 15 point defect.

Dan :afro:

[carcenomy]

Well it's all well and good to talk of yer EXAs whoopin Commodores... but just a reminder yer average 'Dore is knocking on the 2000kg mark with driver and passenger. It needs every ounce of power it can get.

The 3800 V6 for instance is in itself one helluva nice six - 200HP factory, cheap and easy to acquire, LOADS of power down low. But toting around all the dead weight of a full-size sedan you can't totally take advantage of its power.

I say this because before I got the N12 Turbo, I had an '84 Pontiac Fiero. I had repowered it with a 3800... and honest to god that thing was scary. We're talking 1000kg total including me. 0-100 in under five seconds is more than fast enough for me, especially when it does all the business in the powerband where the EXA would be wheezing and waiting to come on boost.

We've got the weight advantage over a Commodore... just don't be suprised if some day you see things with GM power that shames you. I don't know of any EXA that would have kept up with the Fiero (unless some mad bastard out there has 250+ controllable HP at their disposal!), in fact I doubt a Porsche could have kept up with the Fiero even.

Power to weight is king. A Commodore, Falcon or whatever isn't going to win with its obese bodywork. But the boys with the horrendous power and the minimalist anorexic weight will.

[Shauny]

mate i don't know what you've been reading but my friend has a VN commodore with 3800 v6 and it weighs 1350kg, throw in 200kg tops for driver and passenger and its still a lot less than 2000kg

[kekilepep]

more to the question

what is he smoking ?
2000kilos?
hah

even 1350kilo is abit much
average commodore is 1200kilos

[EVLEXA]

Hey, i don't really care if we have the weight advantage or not, if they want to pull up beside us acting like their V8 is everything on the road, they are just going to be proven wrong

Ha ha

[10WXA]

i did over a v8 vn calias, v8 statesman ,a v6 vy , v6 vs
all my mates cars but blew em away any way

[just_69_it]

ive beaten a vl commo non turbo and a 2001 1.6 pulsar and a assorment of other cars i love my new engine btw no turbo lol

[xad_00d]

k lol basically today i drove a supercharged v6 vt hsv........i also drove my mates s15 turbo, onli mod was his cd player (lol) and the s15 shyts all over the hsv.....
now all u need to do is get ur exa up to s15 standard (which isnt hard at all after ur det conversion) and ull be ripping them all up....

[JeffET]

With a std N12 tho, I doubt youd have much of a chance against a big V8, unless he somehow farked the launch up....

Ive outrun a nonturbo VL from about 60-90 before, kicked an xf with 2 mates in the car when it was std, but also lost to a exec VT with the same two mates in the car and a coupla mods....shrug depends on launch traction etc...

[Troytroy]

I keep a list of cars I run up against.........(which also includes ties and losses).
Wins:-
My most recent one was last night hotted up VT V6
and Honda Integra Type R ( two runs, one win, one tie)
( Hondas make a lot of noise but have no torque)
VN V8 with loud exhaust ( ditto old 5.0 V8's)
VS V8 Statesman ( too heavy what was he thinking)
Heaps of P platers in Corrollas and Pulsars bla bla

I've had more fun in my little work hack Exa than I did with My WRX...the exa's a sleeper

mods:- 2.5" mandrel exhaust, GTS-T intercooler, 12-14 psi, relocated AFM and Pod and ripped out rear seat, aircon, and spare wheel ( weight at weigh station with driver 900Kg) I use optimax and lead additive.

I'm puttin in T2/T25 hybrid soon

[xaboss]

ive ripped a:
vyss
vnss
vr v6
s15
r33
r32
holden sandman stock 350
215 injected v8 in a vl
vl turbo
and all the guys in their rollas,excels and shit like that that try

[Axis]

I'm glad that troytroy actually stated what mods his car has. Because I read half these posts and I think to myself, if that person's EXA is stock there is no way they would be able to beat half the cars they listed.

Because a stock standard n12 exa would no way beat most of the cars listed, so maybe i'm the only one who cares, but when making these claims, justify why you won if you're talking about a car that does have a better power/weight ratio than a stock EXA.

I'm only saying this because I for one get sick of people who maintain that a certain car is faster than another even though all the laws of physics dictate it would not be the case.

[jazza]

Hey pplz
Im thinkin for 1 commos weight is more than 1350kg. (duno for sure tho plz correct me if im wrong)
And for 2, im lookin for some opinions, gettin a 180sx wid 200rwhp, im goin to be seeing off those ss v8s??
Im thinkin so?
Any comments will be appreciated :)
Regards
Jazza

[Nisman]

u dont need 200rwhp to beat an ss, my 200sx is stock bar exhaust and filter, and i have no trouble beating them.

as for my exa, i have beat wrx's, skylines, vx clubsport, twin turbo soarer's, 180sx, a gtir, the list goes on.

mods, motor bored, balanced, etc, ems computer, intercooler, exhaust, pod, heaps of boost and over 150hp at the wheels

[FLANO]

i dunno, my mates got a V8 vs commo ute and fuck tha thing flies, double clutching up the gears in my car does pretty well fuck nothing, but in the ute it makes it fishy up the street just changin 1st to 2nd, the thing is fucken qucick and would beat my exa by prob about 4 car lengths and then some so unless your n12 beats an n13 with extractors an airfilter by more than 4 car lengths either it wasnt a v8 or the driver was fuct

[jazza]

well 1/4 mile times see n13 silvias/180s bein quicker than the 5.7L V8 monaros which as quicker than SS utes etc.
But those times are very close, so i figured with a few mods id be good to go ;) lol
Well done to all you exa owners who have modded your car so much that you can take on all these sorts of cars hats off too you
:cheers:

[FLANO]

s13?? where did this stuff come from?? got a link??

[jessV3]

one of my mates dads has a VY SS 6speed .. and ive tried draggin him off a few times when his got it (not his dad lol) .. and it would be save to say i got HAMMARD. what do u expect though its 220kw v8 and ive got 130kw even the extra kilo's that the ss carries under its gut carnt pull it down.

[FLANO]

jessV3 posted:
) .. and it would be save to say i got HAMMARD.

thats what i would have thought, and your n13 is DET isnt it??

question DET n13 exa beats n12 turbo? yeah? evens? no?

[Art]

'muchly'

[jazza]

Couldnt tell you exactly where i got this from, as i cant remember... i just saw em all and saved em lol
Heres some:
1/4 Mile
M14 Pulsar GTI-R = 14.05 seconds
Silvia/180 S13 1.8 Litre = 15.08 seconds
Silvia/180 S13 2.0 Litre = 14.30 seconds
300 ZX Twin Turbo 2 Seater = 14.20 seconds
Holden Monaro CV8 5.7L V8 = 14.40

I got skyline times etc, but theres to many R32, r33. r34, gtst, gtr etc etc

But yea, Monaros are the biggest engines putting out 225kW.
Add around 300++kgs and the power to weight ratios of the 180sx/Silvia are fairly close so i THINK the times are correct.
Anyone feel free to say what they like i cant confirm these..
:chuckle:

[Troytroy]

HOLDEN
1997 VS s2 5.0 168Kw(15.3)
1998 VT s1 5.0 V8 195Kw HSV VT1 Clubsport 195Kw(ripped off!)
1999 VT series 2 V8 220kw(14.2) HSV VT2 Clubsport 250Kw(14.2)
2000 VX series 1 V8 225Kw (14.1) HSV VX1 Clubsport 255Kw(14.1)
2001 VX series 2 V8 225Kw(14.0) HSV VX2 Clubsport 255Kw(14.0)
2002 VY series 1 V8 235Kw(13.97) HSV VY1 Clubsport 260Kw(13.9)
2003 VY series 2 V8 245 Kw HSV VY2 Clubsport 285Kw(13.56)
HSV GTS 300Kw(13.36)

FORD
XR6Turbo 240Kw(14.14) (ute=14.82)
XR8 260Kw(14.36) (ute=14.84)
FPV-GT 290Kw(14.22) (ute=14.4)

-Aussie 5.0 litre V8's are very tardy
-Utes are generally half a second slower 0-100 and quarter mile
-Monaros are also a little bit (quarter second) slower than the four door SS
-these figures are based on good traction only!
-Auto equipped V8's are about half a second slower as well

Want any other figures let me know.

[FLANO]

hey off at a tangent here, whats a typr integra run? would the xr6T ute beat it...??

[drzexa]

I had my virgin drag on staurday arvo against a v8 5.0litre ss and yes i won. And that was on low boost if i had her on high boost there would have been no competition at all! Granted he was a pretty crappy driver and if he had of had traction through 1st and not short shifted 2nd he may have had a better chance but hey It dosnt matter if you win by an inch or a mile....... a win is a win!
And well he couldnt show off to his mates when beaten by a girl, in an exa.

[boostinhard]

Hey,
ok firstly, I'd love to see a standard SR equiped silvia/180 pull a 14.3 quarter...
Secondly XR6T's are damn quick - would decimate a Integra type R (in a straight line)
and Finally, yes, my n12 would beat a n13 with extractors and a filter by more than 4 lenghts :D Just giving some input....
Sam

[jazza]

Well i kno bout the 180s pullin 14.3 (mate has a stock 94, and did a 14.7 run)
70,000ks too.... so it can be done.
The 180sx/Silvia is the best car you can get (bang for buck wise)!
Thats a fact, the sr20s are fast motors and in a light weight car well... they do good things dont they :)
Dont underestimate the s13s my friend...
You can however talk about aus lack of technology havin 1992 cars(jap) pullin the same times as 2000 cars(aus) even though the aus cars have some 3L++ of engine... lol
Aus cars make up for the lack of technology by size, Although the xr6 Turbo is a step in the right direction i think! Good on ya ford :) Nice looks aswell for once ;)
Jap is still the way to go in my eyes... but always has been :cheers:

[boostinhard]

Hey,
not under estimating the s13, just think that today's car society over estimate times way too much.... A 14.7 is a damn quick time, doesnt sound overly quick - but go for a ride in a car that pulls 14.7 and you'll feel it yourself. And to top that, it gets exponentially harder to get faster each tenth of a second ( hard to explain, but I'll try) eg. to go from 15.5 to 15.0 is much easier than it is to go from 15.0 to 14.5... My car only runs mid to high 14's and it has no problem what so ever in killing stock SRDET s13's. Infact, back a few mods ago - had no problem sitting next to hairballs SR20DET N13 Exa, which had 14psi, big front mount, pod, 3" exhasut and a Haltech...
My car may be capable of pulling 13's now, but even back when I did the 14.7 - the car was still pulling like a freight train and decimating most things on the road (except for the 10 second pulling street rotary's that are common in my area - thanks to having two of the country's biggest rotar workshops!!!)

Australian cars arent really that far behind now. I mean, the XR6T in a very short time of track development is getting down to times similar and quicker than the 4WD GTR which is similar in size and technology... Give the aussie stuff a break - cos I can tell you now, I get very nervous pulling up next to a BA falcon now days, I start searching for that little red "turbo" badge!!!!
Sam

[Troytroy]

And it doesn't take much to get the factory 240Kw XR6T into far bigger figures....just $5,500 gets you 330 Kw 9 and a shit load of torque) and $2,000 gets you 280Kw ( chiptorque,unichip etc)

[jazza]

Tru dat... thats why i said good on Ford for aus development.
And ye anything under 15 is one hell of a quick car :)
Anywayz, Im still in love wid the jap cars, the looks, the engines, i love it all!!
180sx.. i really cant think of anythin better... cept maybe those rotary Rx7s.. :O
lol

[FLANO]

hehe fuck yeah other ppls agree wiv me when i tell my friend that my "work ute" that im hopefully gettin sooner rather than later will beat his street car hehehe itd be a funny race to watch huh!

[Troytroy]

Utes have problems with traction and remember that the 290 Kw FPV-pursuit ute is still slower than a 168Kw WRX. It's not so much the weight distribution over the rear wheels or lack of it but rather the weight of the utes....they are unbelievable heavy....OVER TWICE AS HEAVY AS AN N12 EXA.......(FORD utes still use horse and carriage era leaf spring suspension :0 )

But they do sound awesome......and have awesome overtaking potential.


What would be cool if they released a stripped out light weight SS or XR8.

[boostinhard]

Hey,
most cars are twice the weight of an n12 exa.... Anything that isnt built out of recycled cat food cans will seem porky compared to the paper weight n12's, gotta love it!
Sam

[Nisman]

the only problem with the n12 that i found, that once i started pumping out over 150hp at the wheels, no matter what technique used, wheel spin was an issue.
i found it very hard against skylines, commodores, wrx's off the mark... but up the road a bit, i couldnt get the grin off my face as i passed them.

thats half the reason i now own a 200sx, rear wheel drive = drift + better traction.

[jazza]

nice niceeeeee :) I LOVE s14s, nearly as much as 180s! lol
What colour is urs? Red ones are sweet ay

[Nisman]

http://www.decibelian.com/changaz/sign200.JPG

my 200, just got it back from getting the kit on. When i bought it i tossed up between a 180 and a 200, but chose the 200 as they are less common and are a bit newer.

[Troytroy]

What happened to your N12 EXA NISMAN?

The old exa is a little crappy off the line for the first 10 meters........ you're either wheelspinning or bogging down and waiting for the turbo to spool up.....a normal V6 commodore will beat a modded exa off the line for the first 6-9 meters.....and then its all over for the 'no top end' V6. The WRX's are absolute killers for the first 50 meters....with no wheelspin and plenty of effortless traction. And you haven't gone fast around a tight corner until you've done it in a WRX...it makes rear wheel and FWD cars look primitive and slow. (but then again...they have glass gearboxes and insurance hassles) You can't have everything!

[jazza]

Im guessin u posted that when u got it and you've heard this before... but it never hurts to hear it again... nice 200 bro!!!
Ive seen a red one around my area that looks sooo swish
Cant wait to get my 180 and go cruisin wid da Sils/200s!
Jaz

[carcenomy]

Just bout the WRX fast around corners thing... not to sound like a dickhead...
Went down to the local racetrack a few weeks ago and arrived just as the Sport Saloons class was about to race... this is the class Japanese cars fit into.

It was a nice lineup, some AE86 Levins, a WRX... two old RX7s blah blah.

But the thing that had me laughing was the WRX... all that power, all wheel drive... and as he took a corner at breakneck speed some dude in an ancient TE72 Levin with a turbo 4AGE went screaming around him on the *outside*...

It's not always about what you drive, it's how you drive it. 1600 turbo twincam annihilating an all wheel drive, turbo 2.0 quadcam boxer? (correct me if I'm wrong bout the WRX config)

Didn't see any EXAs out racing though, was tempted to ask if I could take the N12 onto the track too :-)

[greatarcticwolf]

I own both an N12 and a VN V6, my fiance just bought a VN V6. If I lined up the 2 VN's, you'd see a HUGE difference. Hers is WAY quicker, I think it might have a mild cam in it. I haven't put it to the test but I think from the lights to about 80 she'd do the N12. I haven't had a good enough drive of hers up top but it's quick. But I've left HEAPS of VN's sitting (including my own) in the N12. A HELL OF A LOT depends on driver. What you also have to remember, most N12's are Manual, most Commo's are Auto, a HELL of a lot is lost in auto transmission. Also it's a pwr to weight thing. Throw the air con on in the exa, put a couple in the back and maybe a bit of luggage for the weekend in the boot and the Commodores aren't so far away in the rear view. That being said, I wreckon that my fiance's Commo would pass just about anything but a servo, the N12 would go twice the distance on that amount of fuel!!!

Each car has it's advantages and disadvantages. N12 is a great little sporty thing that I love to have fun in, but if it breaks down, I put it on a car trailer and the VN in front. VN breaks down, I'm not putting the VN on the trailer with the Exa in front - it's either a tow truck or the other VN!

[Troytroy]

You'll probably find that the WRX driver was being a softsock and protecting his $40,000 car and had never raced before so was taking it easy and the levin was a a stripped out car that would barely be capable to be used as a paper weight and was driven by an enthusiest, and was being thrashed because it was his weekend fun car. It's easier to fling a 800kg car around a corner than a 1200kg car. But a WRX will do it without any wheelspin and can make bad drivers look good. Ever lived in Canberra with their plethora of large roundabouts... with a WRX...unbeatable??

[Troytroy]

...and live axle ( no independant rear suspension) old V8 commodores dont like corners very much, and will be beaten by 50Kw mini cooper S's with ease. (or even an Excel if being piloted by a competant driver)